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Soul Searcher



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2000 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey i didnt mean to insult u or whateva about the dance routine sorry, its just that i cant imagine people going out to clubs dancing as a routine, it wasnt the dancing it was the routine i found funny. like in shes all that and they have a routine, i loved that part. sorry and i love all bell bottoms anf lared stuff. im addicted to it now
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2000 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My personal fav is the scene in which the recording studio decides to keep their music tapes because Mark and his friend (Dirk is it?) don't have the money to pay them. I recall Dirk yelling: "The magic that's on these tapes, that magic is all ours!"

Hilarous moment! )


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Annie M



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2000 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soul Searcher,
S'ok. You hadda be there! lol!!
Well, there are a lot of recent dances that are sort of routines. I know this is more countryfied, but look at line dancing. And most dances w/ steps are following routines, like the lambata (sp). That one alone has over 200 steps, with more being added all the time.
I actually prefer dances you just make up as you go along. Just let the music guide you!
I haven't really learned anything new in the last 20 years, I guess. It is weird to think it has been that long. My how time flies!

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Fizzabel



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2000 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, I saw 'Boogie Nights' last night and without doubt my favourite scene is when he dances! He's soooo good! I had no idea! And he looks so cute in the little red outfit! Bless. I'm actually listening to that song they dance to right now and I can't help but smile. Wicked film. Double thumbs-up
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Cathy Y



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2000 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all,

About 2 weeks ago I saw Boogie Nights for the first time (I tuned in at the point where Rollergirl jumps Eddie on the couch while the Burt Reynolds character watches); the other day I saw, and taped, the whole film from start to end. I hadn't been planning on seeing this movie because I didn't think I'd find the subject matter very interesting -- but I was hooked instantly, primarily thanks to Mark Wahlberg's magnetic performance. A lot of the other actors were very good too (Burt was terrific and so was Julianne Moore), but Mark was just out of this world. (And I am ordinarily not the kind of person who hangs around celebrity fansites!) He did such a fantastic job of conveying Eddie/Dirk's essential sweetness and naivete in the beginning, then his gradual transformation into an arrogant (but still essentialy juvenile) egotist, and then the sadness and vulnerability of his downfall.

My favorite scene... let's see, they were all so good! Excellent scene in the beginnign between Eddie and his girlfriend. Also, I loved Dirk's movie debut with Amber, it was really funny and touching the way he was so nervous and so eager to please (even asking Amber if it felt good!) and obviously sexually excited at the same time. The "Brock Landers" scenes were hilarious. The scene where Dirk blows up at Jack was very well done. But I have to say, the two scenes that I found most unforgettable were the ones Clare mentioned as especially heartbreaking -- the one where he is in the car with that lowlife (first when he asks "Do you know who I am?" and obviously the other guy doesn't have a clue, and then when Dirk is desperately trying to "perform" and just can't), and then the one where he comes to Jack asking for help.

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Annie M



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2000 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cathy,
Yepper, you nailed it! They should call Dirk "The Heartbreak Kid", cuz he sure was!

One thing I've found that a lot of Mark's characters have in common is, no matter what the situation, at some point, something about them gets to you, and you just wanna jump in there and save them, even from themselves!!*sigh!*


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Cathy Y



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2000 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Annie,

So you think maybe Mark appeals to our protective "mommy" side... among other things? Wink I've only seen him in "Boogie Nights" so far, but "The Big Hit" is on cable tomorrow night and I'm definitely taping that. I know it got mixed reviews but even from the critical ones it sounds like Mark's performance is worth watching.
I'm also planning to rent "The Three Kings."

Cathy
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Cathy Y



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2000 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way, my LEAST favorite scene in the whole movie was the shootout in the donut shop. Is it just me or was all the gore totally gratuitous? (Quite unlike the scene with Alfred Molina, which I thought was brilliantly done and which was quite essential to the plot because it showed the extreme end of the insanity that Eddie/Dirk had been drawn into.) Besides, that episode was much too contrived a way to have a "happy ending" for Buck so he would get the money he needed for the stereo store.

I also have a minor quibble with the plot. Dirk gets fired from the movies in January 1983 and by December of the same year he's already trying to sell himself in the streets for 20 bucks. Is that really plausible? I mean, he had to have made a lot of money in the five years or so that he was a big success -- would he really have hit rock bottom in such a short time? Or do I underestimate the amount of money someone can blow if they're snorting coke all day long?

Not that it detracts from the quality of the movie much ... I'm sure you can find logical problems with every movie plot if you start thinking about it!

Cathy Y



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BRASSI



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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2000 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My favorite scenes were the dancing scenes and when Dirk says to the blond actress "Feast on this." I liked the way he looked when he said that. I also thought it was funny when that guy kissed him. (I know, weird, huh?_
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2000 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cathy,

I guess the donut shop scene was contrived, but I actually liked it. I think they booted the gore to give one a sense of how miraculous it was that he wasn't killed or even hurt. I just liked the idea that Fate handed him an opportunity, and he was savvy enuff to grab it and run!

Also, on the time-line for BN, I had a similar question and was told that that would have really taken maybe 2 years if they did it more closely based on John Holmes' life. (The movie was loosely based on him, even though they gave him a mention in the dialogue, I think for credibility.) But for the film, they micro'd the time down to a year.
Plus, cocaine is horribly expensive, and I'm sure Dirk was getting the "high quality" stuff (if you can call any narcotic "quality"!)... and this was also a reason that he was not able to "perform" adequately.
Doing drugs can take a toll on one's normal bodily functions. (I've heard.) He was already having problems while still working, and that was why he was so freaked out to begin with. He prob'ly was afraid he would not be able to "keep it up" for 20 min., and so was desperate to shoot the scene RIGHT THEN.
Also, he could have sold everything he owned after being fired, to get drug money, and I don't think it would take that long to go thru it all. He apparently was living in his car at the end, before he returned to ask for Jack's help.

My least-fave scene is when Rollergirl and Jack are beating up on the high school guy they picked up, after he recognized her from school, and she did not want to acknowledge that. I did not exactly enjoy seeing Dirk beat up either, but the scene with him I disliked most was the one where his Mom was tearing up his stuff and being so mean. I just wanted to push her off the nearest cliff! I read an interview, where Mark said that was a very hard scene to do, b/c the actress who played his Mom there is really a very nice person. But he said when she started ACTING mean, he just went for it.


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Cathy Y



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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2000 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Annie, I was also troubled by the scene where Jack and Rollergirl beat the s**t out of the guy they picked up. But I think it was MEANT to be disturbing, and actually worked very effectively (if painfully!) when paired with the scene where Dirk gets beat up. I think the point is that while Dirk has lost "the good life" while Jack and Rollergirl still ostensibly have it, this version of the good life is ultimately just as sordid and violence-prone as the more obvious degradation into which Dirk has descended. (By the way, did you notice how when Dirk is talking to guy in the car before he gets beat up, he speaks in this really low and choked-up voice, almost like he'd really rather not hear himself talk. Again, I'm just SO impressed by Mark's acting ability.)

You're probably right that with the coke habit it wouldn't have taken him that long to go through all the stuff he had. I read one review which said that it didn't make sense that after Dirk gets fired by Jack, he doesn't just go and get a job with some other porno director. I think they missed the point; obviously, he would have had trouble doing that because his "one special thing" wasn't functioning properly!
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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2000 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cathy,
Exactly! I think when he was yelling at everyone on the shoot, he was like in a dead panic about his performance problems, and later, when he was in the car with that guy, he was embarrassed and ashamed that he could not even get it up for one person. If you remember, before 'the career", he never had any problems, even being able to do it more than once with only a short recovery time.
And even at the beginning of the very first shoot, when he came inside whatsherdoodle (Amber?), he said, "Jack, I can do it again, if you want.", which surprised all of them.
Later on, he had no confidence, b/c he knew his thing was not working "as usual".
One thing I could not decide was, if the guy in the car with him set him up, or if the homophobic gang just coincidentally "happened by" at that particular moment. I don't remember them beating the guy in the car up, after all. So, I'm thinking, they had heard about him someplace, and decided to "teach him a lesson".
Also, a reson perhaps that he did not go looking for other porn work, was maybe he thought Jack had put the word out against him, or that it would just "get around" that he was hard to work with now.
I did admire his friend for sticking with him all through the stab at the music recording, and even to going to that rich rocker-guy's house to get the coke. That guy (I forget his name) really stuck by Dirk.

I think at the end of the film, he was more focussed again, and had possibly at least cut back on the drugs, if not gotten clean.
What amazed me is how naive he was about them in the beginning. When Amber made him snort that first time, he didn't even question it. Guess they did not have any "just say no" stuff at schools back then. Not that I remember, anyway.
I think it was a pretty complex role, b/c you have Eddie who becomes Dirk who becomes Brock Landers, plus all the sex scenes, plus all the emotional sh*t. Even though the story as a whole is really pretty sad, I can see why Mark is touted for doing that role.

One thing I really liked also, was how they completed all the sub-plots with the other characters. They tied up all the loose ends, contrived or not.


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PostPosted: Wed May 03, 2000 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Annie, it was DEFINITELY a setup when the guy picked him up. He was with the other guys who beat him. I watched that scene a second time and it was very clear. Just as the other car drives up and the bright light shines on them, and there's a great shot where Dirk turns around and looks at the other guy with a look of terrified bewilderment on his face, and the guy -- the one who picked him up -- says, "You shouldn't do this kind of thing, homosexual." Also, after the other guys are done beating him, the guy who was in the car comes up and I think kicks him, then takes some money out of his pocket (I don't know if he was robbing him or just taking back the $10 he had given him before) and says, "Don't do this again" and calls him some kind of name.

Overall I really think Mark Wahlberg gave an Oscar-worthy performance in that movie. I know that Burt Reynolds and Julianne Moore got Academy Award nominations for Best Supporting Actor/Actress, and it's not that they didn't deserve it, but Mark was robbed! I read a couple of articles (which I looked up on the Web after seeing the movie) which said that the reason he didn't get a Best Actor nomination was that (1) it was too controversial a role with him playing a porno actor, and (2) a lot of people still didn't want to take him seriously as an actor because of the "Marky Mark" image. Well, to heck with them...
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Annie M



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PostPosted: Thu May 04, 2000 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cathy,
I absolutely agree with you!!
But it does not surprise me that the AAS (which sometimes should be spelled "ass" instead!) has passed over his performance. It is not the first time they have snubbed an Oscar-worthy role from someone!! And, in light of the fact that "American Beauty" was chosen for Best Pix, I find it woefully ironic that the same could not be said of "Boogie Nights". (I just saw AB recently, and BN was a much better film, all the way around!!)
I still think Mark will win an Oscar someday, or at least an AFI award. I mean look at Harrison Ford, one of the most popular actors in history, and he only has one nomination and NO Oscars!! So what can Mark expect of a seemingly politically motivated business? That is one reason I think this and other websites are SO IMPORTANT, so that Mark will always know that the public supports him!! It would be nice if his peers would step up and do the same though.
I am hopeful that he will also win other awards in the future, such as People's Choice, Golden Globe, and so forth.
Everyone deserves encouragement from time-to-time!!

Yeah, I guess I had forgotten that part about that guy being in on it. Last time I watched it, I fast-FW thru that stuff, as it bothers me to even see a fax of him being hurt!! I just have to keep telling meself, "it's not real", so I can watch it, like I did for "Three Kings" POW scene.

I think Mark is going to be the Cal Ripkin (sp?) of the movies!! Always There, and Always Great!


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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2000 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok peeps I'm going to force you to rewind (such a hardship i can imagine!!)
One (Ihave many) of my fav is in the begining when Jack meets Eddie in the back and is asking him to join them at the table and Eddie declines and just smiles at jack and aplogises ...................................................................
Sorry gone all funny there must go now and recover.............
back soon

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